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Assassins Creed Valhalla does not lack resources, team size, or talent… however it has been deliberately scaled back to avoid “being too large”… a criticism that makes very little sense when leveled at an open world experience especially when its basis is a game literally titles “odyssey”
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UPDATE based on feedback: If the scaled back scope (as I literally said in the video…) leads to actual higher quality in the content we do get then it is almost certainly a good thing. I am however rather nervous that it wont… and so they scale back to just give us less of what people already apparently didn't like.
Watch the video before commenting because half of these people are "disagreeing" while they agree with me without even knowing because they screeched out a paragraph without comprehending the video.
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Quality over quantity, i agree with Ubisoft because ac odyssey was an empty open world with every town looking the same and the same side quests
I'm not surprised at all so much tubers sat here making numerous of vids complaining about the exactly the same thing now here you go.
Odyssey is the definition of "bigger isn't always better". Making the game smaller and less bloated is a good thing. It's not about the size, it's what you do with it, and Ubisoft doesn't know what to do with it. Their open worlds are the equivalent of a giant dick, that's always flaccid.
I don't think the complaints were that Odyssey didn't hit it's mark, as much that it was a stupid mark to begin with. If I want to spend 60hrs chasing a classical Greek ending, I'll actually read The Iliad and The Odyssey.
I didn't played Odyssey, but i heard it was extremely grindy, that made the game a lot longer that it should have been. Maybe that's what they meant? less grind?
The problem with content in AC games is that every quest you do apart from main story feels like ticking squares in a checklist, very boring and menial stuff unlike in games like The Witcher 3, RDR 2, or Kingdom come deliverance
I don't think it's a small minority who thought odyssey was "too big". That game was a grindy mess that didn't contain enough quality. moments, and instead was purposefully filler and level grind to keep players coming back.
People don't want to play grindy games, people don't want to experience boring experiences just to get to some huge game length, and Odyssey might have a been a long game, but it was a boring mess instead of an amazing book. No one wanted a "1000 page epic" when they started Odyssey, and even if they were hoping for it, the end result didn't live up to the name.
I mostly agree with you man, but I think you're off base on this. A scaled back, better crafted story and experience is far better than some hour total, and most people seemed to agree that Odyssey was too indulgent in length and lacking in quality. So yes. Odyssey was "Too big".
This push to give us "Bigger" worlds is ending up with less interesting content, less filled worlds, and weaker games for both. It's good to see at least one company is trying to fix that.
(That being said there's a ton of other issues Ubisoft has, the push of microtransaction, the need for grind, and just because it's a smaller game, doesn't mean it's better. But I'd like "Size" of the game to stop being a selling point, because it ignores everything about "quality" which is what is important. )
It’s the goddamn professional game critics on YouTube (no offense to you). The ones I’ve watched almost unanimously complained about the length & size of both Origins & Odyssey. They totally disregard the fact that they earn a living playing & reviewing as many games as possible for channel content. I play open-world rpgs for the adventure and exploration. There is nothing better than spending countless hours immersing yourself in a game world. It’s why I think the size & scope of the last two AC games were their greatest asset. I hate that these developers are listening to such shallow criticism.
I have problems with games like assassins creed odyssey. It frustrates me to see that I have so many secondary missions to do and the missions that have an sand clock symbol and to make decisions in the main missions. I am frustrated at having to do main missions without finishing the secondary ones, the watchtowers, question marks, etc.
I'm fine with it being shorter if it has quests with more substance. I remember that in assassins creed Odyssey I had already finished all the secondary missions and I started to play the main story and I hardly remembered the plot. after complete
the game 100%
I can tell you without a doubt that at least 40% of the side missions, the map of the game could have been removed and I am sure that I would have enjoyed the game more by removing the feeling that I was wasting time
Are we at the point where people are complaining about there being too much content? Like, isn't that a good thing?? Do people not want to get their money's worth anymore? Because when I drop money on a game, I want to be able to play it and feel satisfied, like I've had an experience and maybe enjoyed my time playing. If I drop a full 60 on a game but the campaign is only a few hours and there's little to no side activities I just feel like I've wasted my money.
How can there be too much content? Just skip whatever it is you don't want to do and focus on the main storyline then. Why bitch about something that you can, in most cases, simply work around and ruin it for people who actually want content?
People are infuriating. I swear to god someone is always bitching about something.
Highly disagree. Small dense maps will ALWAYS be better than bloated maps with copy/paste trash quests & useless collect-a-thons.
Just because it was called Odyssey doesn’t give it an excuse for being a bloated and unfocused game.
You sure the backlash wasn't the fans upset that you can buy level boosts instead of playing for hours doing stuff outside the main story to level up
Let's just be honest traveling large distances by horse in video games isnt very fun. If ubisoft had removed the convoys these games would have felt even more barren. Can anyone really say if orgins and oddessey had a 20% smaller map the game would have been worse for it?
I have to disagree, games become overstuffed, too many senseless snatch&Scout&hit and kill quests.
Red Dead, Origins, Odysse, I have grandchildren by the time I finished all the content of these games. Please, quality over quantity
I somewhat disagree with u on the quality on odyssey. Personally I found it very boring having to do all the side quests to get to main story. And yes they're required. You wont have a high enough level to complete the game with out doing it. The arguement could be made that they did this to make the side quest lines more appealing. But this arguement falls flat when u compare odyssey to other RPGs like skyrim where the side content was great and arguably better than the main quest line.
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Well done. Those publications based their jobs around games and then bitch when certain games are too long because they needed to get their article up in time. And then use said game in titles to drive traffic to their site. I've played Odysseytwice and that 6 hour example is bullshit, plus there would be a plethora of beauty, combat, quest to experience in that time, but they dont mention that.Another vague agenda based example of journalism
tl;dr To Ubisoft – 'Not all criticism is equally valid'.
Most of the devoted Assassin’s Creed fans held the opinion that the game was too big for the sake of being big. The change to a smaller scale is them going for quality over quantity. RDR2 by no means had a small map, but it felt lived in, which is what people want: a world that feels real.
A key detail that I picked up on was that you noted the wording on quotes that were most likely translations: one of them said it outright and the other one was a tweet by the Montreal team, which comprises mainly of French-Canadians, so whoever wrote it may not have had English as there first language.
Another key detail is that you took the “gameplay reveal” at face value and didn’t look into it at all. Ashraf Ismail (the game director for Valhalla) specifically stated that it wasn’t a gameplay demo, but merely in-game rendered footage.
Overall, I love your content. They’re super high quality and you give a mostly unbiased opinion (it’s impossible to give a completely unbiased take). These few things just stood out to me as stuff that should be addressed.
I agree with what you're saying, and I know that you are aware that your audience is primarily over 25 years old, but here's the thing:
You speak quickly, make very concise points, and cover a great deal of ground in a short amount of time. While these could all be considered positive things, you have to remember that most people are of average intelligence, and as such, it is no wonder that some people are failing to comprehend what you are saying.
It is what it is; this is your channel, and this is how you roll… I mean, it's not 'Average Echelon Gaming'.
I haven't even started the video, but I really love the fact that so many people are respectfully disagreeing with you – it is the mark of a healthy community.
Game Journalists just want smaller games cus they're too bad to deal with large games, and they think it takes up too much of their oh so precious time.
I do not like the Assassin's Creed combat style, so I have only played a couple games in the series for short amounts of time. With that said, I decided to give Odyssey a try for the story. I absolutely love the story, the game is ridiculously long(this is a good thing), the world is huge(which I also enjoyed), still dislike the combat, but everything else was fantastic! I'm not sure I will play Valhalla though, simple because I'm not really interested in the time period.
My opinion of odyssey was that it was a big world with only repetition. The scope of the world was fantastic and something to really admire, but i found myself just going AFK more than I ever have in a game because even though the world itself was amazing and beautiful, the side activities never seemed engaging. They were all “go here, kill stuff, funny, come back” I’m sure most of the side quests were enjoyable, however the ones I played felt like something out of fallout 76. And my biggest issue was the jump between levels it had. Complete a mission at level 20 the next is level 23, so you are FORCED to go grind out those quests which could be enjoyable, but when I attempted it I just got bored and bored and bored time and time again. If it wasn’t so insufferably grindy I would have enjoyed it more because then those side quests wouldn’t be forced upon me, and I could find interesting things to do as the story progresses
You are wrong.. many people couldn't finish either Odyssey nor Origins. I know ì didn't, and ì almost finished every other AC game
How much smaller is it compared to what it was going to be
Personally I find Ubi's massive worlds to be filled with way too many collectibles and not much else. If they scale down in this regard then I am all for it.
The issue with Odyssey was with the intentional XP gates. It was a gross monetization tactic that also let them tout play hours. If they shorten the game, but keep the XP gates, I won’t play it out of principle.
I love UBI's world building, they're the best in the industry imo. I don't mind decent amounts of travel time in their beautiful worlds. I can spend the time just enjoying the scenery. I hate to say kids these days but….really….kids these days. ADD central.
If this means we get more quests like Mykonos and less quests that take us to one of literally 200 forts on the map. Sign me up.
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I am pretty sure that a lot of people were not angry about how big the Odyssey was,but at the leveling system,just like me.Except they aimed their frustration at the map size because no one wants to grind 6+ hours and acknowledge that the leveling system is fucked.
downsizing is a great idea. I think they listened to the fans. I believe they can turn the franchise around if they take out the fluff. I liked odyssey but there was so much fluff.
They are prob gonna cut it apart and sell it back as dlc